LIVE! Black Swan Trial Day 5: The Defense Rests – Did They Prove Self Defense?

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1. Doug was "godly" … expert: that was over the top.

   A sense of grandiose … such a narcissistic trait 🤔

   Thats why this is good for the defense.

   So as far as councelling session and waiting in office – hes not interested in going to check on his kid (or even Ashley) … he wants to look good on paper … thats it … the point was made.

2. Loading the van together … why is it continuously assumed she invited him to load it?

   Why can no-one see that HE could have orchestrated it, and inserted himself into that situation.

   My ex did exactly that !! 😤
   I allowed him to do it, because
   1. It sorta helped.
   2. It kept him from causing me mayhem and problems during the process.

   My other question… he intended on moving also … was he planning to drag his older daughter around with him?

3. It's a shame how many people are talking about their own DV experiences. I'm sure these comments are true, unlike Ashley's lies. She should have received life because this was factually first degree murder, but at least there is a guilty verdict. I hope Eva and the rest of Doug's family are satisfied with the outcome.

4. 📜 @1:00:50 ~ Peter is wrong here. Even though I appreciate him, sometimes he’s not good about knowing things on a constitutional level. For instance here, a jury could go back-and-forth on who to believe and absolutely find her guilty, depending on state law. No where does the constitution say that the prosecutor hast to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the homicide was not legal self defense. They just have to prove that the murder was committed beyond a reasonable doubt, and then state law can actually shift the burden and make the defendant prove that the homicide was in self-defense. Sometimes so many states have a certain law that people presume that’s some thing regarding the United States Constitution. But the state of Ohio would be one example to prove what I’m saying.

   And the other example that I mentioned before that comes to my mind is how I sent a super chat to Peter once asking about perjury and if charges could only be brought by the executive branch through a prosecutor or if it could be brought by a judge as a contempt of court hearing. Honestly the way he answer the question was very odd and it almost seem like he was saying both, but then he threw in something extra instead that the prosecutor is not part of the executive branch. And of course it is. That’s just government structure 101. But it’s all right, I appreciate Peter. But he just doesn’t necessarily know what he doesn’t know.

5. @peter the daily bible quotes were manipulation not genuine

6. I would be interested to know your opinion on the Aubreigh Wyatt case.

7. This is so disgusting. I was victim of DV, everything was great 90% of the time but when they get in that weird mood (or start drinking) that 10% is ROUGH and definitely not okay!

8. He was not an abuser, he was a human being played by a little gold digger liar who married him to set up a business for her. She had another man in her bed while still playing mind games with this poor man.

9. Replay Crew – In response to Asian Ahmets question – the term DV is used even when there is an absence of physical harm because the word Violence is interpreted as Violation – hope that makes sense. It trips a lot of people up and I also think it should be changed – so many people living in coercive, verbally abusive and exploitative relationships do not report because they also believe SV means physical assault.

10. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂15 YEARS YOUR HONOUR

11. The expert did not say or mean that once Doug was violent he could never change or heal from that…..What he meant is that once a victim is abused, the passing of time does not necessarily change or heal the damage done by the abuse.This emotional/psychological pain or injury may continue indefinitely..This was completed misconstrued by the prosecution.

12. It’s beyond a reasonable doubt guilters. The self defense claim is absolutely reasonable without the history of abuse. “ better 10 guilty men go free, than one innocent man spend one day in chains” can’t remember who said it , but it’s the truth.

13. I can see it both ways.
    I have experienced abuse and my heart aches for her if this is the case. Hard to even talk about without feeling it all over again.
    I have also seen good men who have been seriously emasculated and manipulated by the women and who snap and hit a wall or the dog to not hurt the woman who pushed him to the edge.

14. Honestly the threatening to commit suicide woulda been enough for me to vote NG bc I had an ex boyfriend who threatened that all the damn time, & once I was finally done he actually not only did it but did it successfully! & had I known & tried to stop him he would’ve simply killed me first.

15. Scary how many people are willing to vote guilty without understanding that a juror doesn't vote based on how they feel about the defendant but on whether or not the state proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt. This is why innocent people plead guilty and take deals all the time.

16. This prosecutor has no idea about domestic abuse. None at all.

17. I’m a DV survivor – all of this resonates. No childhood background of abuse and I don’t even know what it was when it was happening. but hearing trials like this make me realize how close I came to becoming a statistic. I don’t know if she’s faking her emotions in court, but she was definitely abused.

18. As a survivor of abuse, i believe her…period.

19. I find it very hard to cry tears. I have experienced so much trauma in my life that my tears don't come. I couldnt even cry at my husbands funeral. I hate that she is judged by "no tears" 😔😔😔

20. Guilty

21. It took me two years after he died to stop looking for my abuser on every street corner. I only felt safe inside my locked home. The fear took ages to dissipate

22. Something I don’t get: if she’s charged with second degree murder (no premeditation) then why is the state’s case based around her wanting him dead because the report was coming out? That implies pre-meditation. Isn’t it a problem that they don’t have/didn’t present a theory of the crime that fits with second degree murder, which is the charge?

23. At common law, assault is any threat to use force coupled with an apparrent abillity to carry it out such that we meet Brandenburg's imminence.

    Battery at common law was the actual use of force against the person not amounting to felony meyhem.

24. Caught a live!! Love listening to while I'm on the teeadmill!! Thanks so much for ALL you do!! So grateful!! 2:08

25. Animal abuse allegations were proven to be false. No evidence, documentation or veterinary records. Imo Doug was emotionally labile but Ashley was equally so. I so want to see Ashley & Doug's psychiatric evaluations.⚖️

26. Guilty, her story against someone who cannot defend himself. Why does anyone marry someone after 13 days? He was fine with them not living together.

27. Don’t think he did these things. She just knows the signs of abuse she’s a liar

28. No I say she’s guilty manipulative no tears. She set him up planed it

29. I think both things can be true: he scared her, she did not want to co-parent with him, she saw this as the only way out. This whole situation showcases 2 unstable individuals. jmo

30. You were excited to almost have 100 people the first night I listened to you! Thank You! ❤

31. Finally getting to part 5… 23 hours later!

32. I was married to two very abusive husbands but so diffetent from each other. Its impossible to say they are all like cookies, that look and behave exactly alike. Yes one day they can be violent, threatening and unreasonable and on another day quite rational and calm. One is constantly trying to assess the mood they are in. We live on high alert, anything could go wrong on any given day.

33. He's in a Karate Stance when he's shot on his side

34. This case just makes me realize why woman are eventually killed by their domestic abusers. No one helped her and she tried to get help. Then they act surprised when she defends herself from the man she tried to get protection from. He was 30 years older than her and knew he could manipulate her. No one helped her.

35. These prosecutors should never be on another domestic abuse case again. Very sarcastic and ignorant to domestic abuse or violence.

36. Nope. Guilty as sin IMO

37. You are so biased in her favor! I’ve noticed she has several men manipulated to want to “protect” her. I don’t understand why she had to kill him an hour and a half after he texted her was coming to help her move. She absolutely didn’t try to wound him to stop him. She wanted him dead ,so she could have the child to herself. She wasn’t successful at that any other way. The ‘no make, weight loss’ look is manipulative as well. Bet she looks a lot different the day after she is acquitted. Be careful around women like this. I think you’re vulnerable to their tactics

38. LOL BILLIANT….. 'WILD DAGGING HIM OUT BY THE LEGS AND BUMPED HEAD' 🤭🤭🤭

39. Animal abuser=human abuser. Nuff said for me. Prayers for her and child!

40. Sometimes I block out things my abuser said to me. “It’s not like I’ve ever hit you” was one of the ways I was gaslit into believing I wasn’t actually abused. The prosecutors cross of AB brought this all back up.

41. Women who know this kind of abuse know she acted out of fear. My experience was I was scared he was going to push me to the point where I might kill him. I dreamt of ways to do it.

42. Please cover the Donna Adelson case

43. Tues: instructions were fair. All the interruptions durig closing was annoying at best a d think the jury probably feels same. Didn't know they could rebut arguments.
    What flashes back while watching this case is Nicole Brown and the similarities.

44. If the cops and no one believes her, and he is gaslighting her, maybe she doesn't believe it until she is trapped in the house. I had to record some interactions, so I would know what happened not what he told me happened.

45. not guilty

46. I found the expert and his abuse wheel extremely shocking – first of all, according to him the hypothetical abuser was always a « he » and the abused always a « she ». Why not bring an expert on narcissism like Sam Vaknin to testify for the state on how covert narcissists deform reality, portray themselves as victims, conduct smear campaigns, push their victims to the brink, lie and manipulate, provoke and deform? Then you can look at all her bizarre behaviour from another perspective? What she did to the father of her child was so grievous, and emotionally manipulative, that it would make the most healthy man go crazy, (not to condone his behaviour either!) I don’t know what is true here, but for me the possibility of her not being a victim at all is very real. My heart goes out to real victims of DV because covert narcissists who portray themselves as victims, whether it is the case here or not, are predators and abusers in their own right.

47. The comment about DV is really valid. The word violence does cover ‘non physical’ but calling it violence stops victims coming forward. If the abusive relationship doesn’t involve physical violence victims often feel that they can’t report the abuse, or that their abuse isn’t as bad therefore it’s not worth reporting, or that people won’t believe them if there’s no violence. We should be calling it domestic abuse, we don’t want to make victims feel that their trauma isn’t valid.

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